Obama Shatters Religious Freedom!

January 29, 2012

Isaiah 10

1 Woe to those who make unjust laws  to those who issue oppressive decrees, 
2 to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. 

Obama Disregards the Constitution 

Obamacare will force church-affiliated institutions to have insurance policies that will give employees free contraceptives.  There will be no exemption for Roman Catholics who disapprove of birth control as a matter of doctrine – or any other religious employer.

Churches, synagogues, mosques and other houses of worship are exempted from the requirement, but other religious bodies – such a universities, hospitals and charities – will have to offer free contraception from August 2013.

The Obama administration believes that the law gives access to “basic health care.”

U.S. Health Secretary said ‘I believe this proposal strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious freedom and increasing access to important preventive services.

But the idea of freedom isn’t to achieve a balance with something that goes against a core doctrine of a religion… it is allowing that religion to maintain its belief. It is at this point that the Constitution seems to say – Hey Government – its time for YOU to bend.

The healthcare reforms are designed to make insurers offer preventive measures such as contraception free believing it will be cheaper than treating illness and pregnancy no doubt.

The president of Planned Parenthood said  ‘This common sense decision means that millions of women, who would otherwise pay $15 to $50 a month, will have access to affordable birth control, helping them save hundreds of dollars each year.’

Common sense would be not to have sex outside of wedlock. I know – that sounds so harsh to the ears of this generation. Can you imagine not having sex until marriage?

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Snow Day

January 13, 2012

My day began with snow gently falling and the odor of poop; dog, cat, or human I was not sure until I located it.   It was dog poop.  Our poor dog, Vera,  is having another touch of colitis.  Off to work, no snow delay,  meetings and treatments, the roads were slippery.    Eleven o’clock am,  work is let out early because the snow continued to fall.

I opened the front door, shaking off the snow.   I heard an unusual sound – Bang, Bang, Bang!   I found my 82 year old Dad trying to split  a large piece of firewood with a hatchet to get a fire started, my daughter was cleaning up yet another poop on the foyer floor, I read in the log that my Dad’s helper found a cat poop in my tub!   All I could do was to fight back the tears and wonder, why?

Overwhelmed, I went into my bedroom praying for God to help me maintain.  I wanted to have a meltdown, an angry, screaming crying meltdown.  But I continued to pray.

Sometimes it seems like my life is out of control and I wonder how it happened.  How did I get here?  To this crazy existence that is my life right now.  More importantly how do I persevere?  I believe.

I believe that my God loves me so much that  He gave His Son Jesus Christ, so that I could live even when I die.

So here I sit, in my living room with a roaring fire to keep me warm, watching some sad little court TV show that clearly demonstrates the darkness of this world.  The snow has changed to sleet then rain and the early work dismissal seemed an overreaction now, regardless I was still thankful.

I have read in scriptures this verse, and for some reason, it came to my mind:

No temptation[a] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted[b] beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[c] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it. 

1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV) Footnotes a – c: The Greek for temptation and tempted can also mean testing and tested.

This particular verse really seemed to hit home today in my spirit, and once again I felt that special closeness to my Jesus.  The day continued to wane on, I learned that a person who had once been a part of my life is in trouble, emotionally and spiritually.  I had a sense of urgency for him, but I also felt that it was just one more thing adding to my ever growing list of “things” that consume me.

8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.

 10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power forever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 5:8-13 (NIV)

I am beginning to see myself as a cog in a wheel of spokes that always need adjusting.  I feel that if I should falter in any way that the wheel of my life will crash.   The sleepless nights are adding up and my fatigue level is increasing, I am finding it hard to balance all of it and keep my focus on God.  The spiritual war that whirls around is trying to consume me but He who lives in me is stronger, I will win through Jesus.

Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong. 14 Do everything in love”

1 Corinthians 16:13-14 (NIV)

 

 22 Because of the LORD’s great love we are not consumed,  for his compassions never fail. 23 They are new every morning;
   great is your faithfulness.  24I say to myself, “The LORD is my portion; therefore I will wait for him.” 

Lamentations 3:22-24 (NIV)

 

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A new year begins…

December 29, 2011

As I sit sipping my coffee I find it  hard to believe that we are fast approaching another new year.  Perhaps it is because I have reached the half century mark that time seems to zip by faster than ever, or perhaps it is because the details of my life continue to overflow onto more and more plates and the balance act is trickier than ever before, nevertheless God is telling me to slow down, re-asses and keep only what will glorify Him and share His love with those who cross my path.

God wants me to live my life differently this year.  He wants me to trust in Him with all aspects of my daily life.  He wants me to live in peace and joy, to have hope in all situations and love through the eyes of Jesus Christ.  That seems like such a difficult task to achieve, almost overwhelming, except for one key element:  Jesus Christ.

In Romans 8:28 we read this verse:   And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose (NIV)

This has been a lifelong verse for me, I have meditated on it during many situations that have left me wondering “why”.  As I sit here today, allowing my thoughts to flow onto this virtual piece of paper, I am comforted recogninzing that althought I do not always understand “why” things happen the way the do – it all happens the way God intended it to and His purpose and plan is perfect, because He alone is perfect.

I have had a relationship with Jesus Christ for 12 years now, it is the single most important decision I have ever made – ever.  I know that when my physical body is worn out and retires that I will be going home to the place that I came from – heaven.  I know that I will be resting in the arms of my heavenly Father.   Knowing and owning this helps me to tackle anything that comes my way.  I am His worker, His daughter, I delight in sharing who Jesus Christ is with people who come into my life path.  I am excited when I can share with others what Jesus continues to do in my life, in my heart and in my spirit.

I am blessed beyond my wildest dreams.  I have so much to be thankful for, an amazing godly husband, 4 talented and godly children, my extended family and friends.   God has also orchastrated my Dad moving in with us so that I can care for  him while he awaits to journey home.  My life is full and good despite the daily demands and crazy responsibilities that God has blessed me with.  I am greatful.

So as I close this rambling – I hope that whom ever should read this will know how  much my God loves them and the plans He has for them, to be who He has created them to be.  I pray that in the new year God’s blessings will rain down and more and more people will not only find His son Jesus but will commit to a relationship with Him, I also pray that for those brothers and sisters in Christ who find themselves parched and dry will find their cup overflowing with His life giving water once again and the power of  the Holy Spirit will lead them to where God desires to take them.  In Jesus name I pray.  Happy Blessed New Year!

 

 

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Santa

December 11, 2011
I was talking to a sister in Christ the other day and she just wasn’t getting it. I was telling her how I am dead set against anything Santa being included in any Christian celebration of Christmas, and she was baffled. To her, Santa was St, Nick and the whole story was a fairytale made for children… and she wanted to know why I didn’t see it this way as well…Well – let me tell ya -My first problem with the whole St. Nick deal is that Santa doesn’t appear to have anything in common with Nick beyond gift giving. For instance, I can’t imagine St. Nick would allow the magical elf persona of Santa Clause to stand… after all – it is believed Saint Nick was a SAINT. A devout Catholic and then some! All we would hear coming out of Santa’s mouth would be praises and reminders of Jesus Christ! Instead we get the ridiculous ho ho ho…

Then there’s the whole death thing. St. Nick actually went to the Lord around 350 ad… that would make Santa something entirely different. Are we going to claim God turned into the fat little elf overlord who delivers gifts on Christmas? I dunno about you – but I think someone would need to call child services and investigate this claim that Santa even has elves… who are these ‘little men’ being forced to make toys all year?

I mean lets look at that a second. The old legends I’ve read about St. Nick – the ones concerning his actual life – had him helping poor people in need. This Santa is supposedly stalking our children day and night – judging them as good or bad – and rewarding them on Christmas night… yet there are always great kids who could use St. Nick’s help but get next to nothing for Christmas… and then there are those kids who really don’t deserve anything for Christmas who get showered with too many gifts!

Not to mention Jesus teaches us not to judge…

So now that I have established why I don’t believe Santa Claus is St. Nick – let’s focus on what Santa Claus really is. He is not a fantasy character like Mother Goose or Peter Pan or Spider Man in that children are not taught those are real. They are taught those are make believe.

No, Santa Claus is the king of a whole different kind of fiction… and that is the fiction we make real… there’s the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Father Time, Cupid, and the Leprechauns… there may be more but those are the biggies I think of when we tell our kids these characters roam somewhere in our world… but none are bigger than Santa…

From the time children are 3 or 4 until they catch onto the game maybe between 7-10… at least in America… there are millions of kids being lied to on a regular basis by almost everyone in the world and they buy into it! In December Americans become so consumed with the Santa story that even the news weather men will have their dopler radar tracking Santa as he makes his way to their home town! Its really a lot of fun, isn’t it? To watch their little faces light up with excitement and anticipation? Oh the joy of life!

The only problem I have with it is that it is a lie. A lie is a lie is a lie.

For me – this lie cost me years of service to my Lord Jesus Christ. I am told I am a rare case – and maybe it has something to do with my Asperger’s Diagnosis – but in my mind, I figured if the world lied to me about Santa Claus – and the Easter Bunny – and the Tooth Fairy – if my own mother played along with the lies – how could I ever believe in Jesus or even a God? It took me nearly thirty years of wandering to find my way back to Jesus… thank God I did kick the bucket in that time… but the lie – the lie impacted me in huge ways…

and even if people think it hasn’t impacted them – I would beg to differ… we know that humans absorb information the most when they are children – so if we are feeding our kids BS when they are in their most formative years – no matter how pleasing and good the BS may seem – and the kids are taught to keep the lie themselves once their eyes are opened so not to spoil it for the younger kids – are we not programing ourselves to be deceivers? These little child deceptions teach us how to keep the bigger deceptions that end up becoming cancers in our lives.

Watch the news on any given day and realize that we all live among murderers, thieves, liars, child molesters, wife beaters, cheaters… all sorts of filth within our daily lives… we just don’t know who is who until they get caught – and we wonder how did no one not know? How didn’t anyone realize? In the end – it boils down to deception… now I know – humans would be deceptive without Santa and his merry band of fictional demi-gods… but it sure can’t help any…

So why is it so many Christians are willing to allow Santa into their Christmas celebrations? Isn’t obvious? No one wants to be the Scrooge… no one wants to rain on the parade… no one wants to be the bad guy… so everyone plays along – and on some level – the children are programed with these little so-called harmless lies…

To the world – I say enjoy your Santa Clause and your version of Christmas. To me its a great day to remember Jesus’ life here on earth – it isn’t His actual birthday but it is the day I honor His birth… but as a Christian – I have to whole heartedly reject this idea that we should be lying to our children about Santa Clause…

Jesus IS enough to fill this holiday we call Christmas. His story is the whole reason we celebrate as Christians. I know Christmas means other things to other people  - but thats their version of it that we need not open the hearts and minds of our children to.

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Family Values – Then and Now

September 11, 2011

When television started out – there was a humble and fearful approach to the broadcasts. Producers went out of their way to keep things very conservative. Sponsors cared about the content they were sponsoring. There were no Hollywood hussies and hardbodied hunks – no flashing of flesh for America – married couples were’t even portrayed as sharing a single marriage bed – it was all innocent in its infancy – the American people had to be convinced that television wasn’t a wicked thing that was going to corrupt the society. The American people had to be seduced into the magic that is the Devil’s Box. The radio had already introduced the concept of live media to them, so they were pre-conditioned to accept the next innovation just as we are today.

The American Christian of yesteryear would have surely rejected the tv had the first shows featured the trash we find on the tube today. They would have recognized it for the demonic lure that it is and rejected it from church to shining church… they would have burnt those devices like they used to burn books… that doesn’t mean they would be able to stop it, but American Christians could have and would have slowed it down tremendously. Money talks, and there was a time that Christianity was so strong in our nation businesses actually had to respect it. But the love of money is the root to all evil – and networks – loving money – pushed the bubble year after year – knowing the more shocking the show – the bigger the ratings – meaning the bigger the pay day.

Through television we lost control – of our families – of our country – of our perceptions – while some of what tv did was great, such as exposing us all to the horrors of racism… some of what tv did was evil.  What we lost through television has oozed onto the internet where all controls are lost. Censorship is a thing of the past as home-made producers like myself have the freedom to speak on anything anyway we wish without the worry of losing a network’s support… we can shoot (video) most anything too. The last areas that law really takes a stand on are against hate crimes and child abuse… most everything else is fair game on the net because there’s usually a legal technicality that allows virtually all content.

Today – family values on network television are nonexistent. Those who support a wide open media explain that they will simply explain the matter to their children – and thats great – except the except they themselves are addicts of the monster that is television. For most of us, we were raised in front of the television by broadcasters who fed us social programing that they have progressively expanded to exploit us out of our wealth and lives. Kids do as they see their parents do… and in America… without a doubt, the television is the single biggest brain feeder in our country… followed by and eventually to be surpassed by the internet… its no wonder we are losing our collective faith…

In the days of Noah – family values didn’t mean much either… things were getting pretty footloose and fancy free… life seemed like it was good – despite its difficulties – because man had embraced the dark side and obsessed with what he desired – serving his own sinful nature… influenced by forces beyond his control…

kind of sounds like life today – if you think about it… if you’re a Christian – there’s one thing you need to hear – one thing you need to remember… and its something that our Lord Jesus Christ spoke in the Gospels…

Mark 13:13 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Let me tell you, I am in a real life moral stand and the forces of darkness are formidable. Still, the light knows no bounds… and it shall overcome the darkness… and He will be glorified… I encourage you all – stand – stand firm – till the end.

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Just Give It Up, Chris

September 5, 2011

I was sitting here this morning sipping my coffee going through my morning routine of reading emails and seeing what the day is bringing. Well, I was trying to read my emails, but when I went to retrive them, there were none to be responded to. Apparently, it had been a very slow night on the internet, and I didn’t have a single comment on any video nor email from the website.

That’s when I heard the voice – and it whispered – ‘Just Give It Up, Chris’

Unsure by this random thought I played with it a bit – thinking back to it I said something to the effect that I am not preaching the truth online to win millions of emails… and the voice said – ‘Your just not good enough to be a minister for God – He has not blessed your efforts’

A shiver ran down my spine as what the voice was saying made complete sense… I’ve been on the Tube for years, and I have not down well with views or subscribers. The website has been up even longer and now it sits as a billboard for the curious collecting dust and growing old.

But then it occurred to me to ask – who it that is whispering this doubt into my mind? Is it God? Satan? My own self-doubt?

That’s when I realized – the website, the videos, all of it – it reaches who it needs to. God sends people across our path when God wants them to cross our paths. happyjesusday.com and its related videos aren’t measured by God by the number of hits the site gets or the number of views we collect on youtube… its measured by the faith and obedience put into these works that praise His name.

So next time I hear that voice, be it in my head or on the lips of another or in a random comment left by a casual viewer… next time it says, Just Give It Up , Chris – I can flash a smile and know that I wouldn’t be hearing such doubts if I wasn’t helping someone…

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Born Anti-Gay?

September 4, 2011

In response to my Born Straight video, one viewer asked…

why call it anti gay when you can just say you were born straight. i dont know why you see a need to use the term anti gay.

While I agree that stating someone is born anti-gay could sound inflammatory to some, the fact is if you are attracted to the opposite sex you would likely reject homosexual advances. It wouldn’t be something you’d have to think about and reason over, its a matter of reflex… thus – it can be said one can born anti-gay if they are instinctively prone to reject homosexuality.

Still, I used the term to prove a point – and that is that our ‘words’ do matter. When I say I am born straight – people accept that without issue, understanding that means I am not homosexual – but if I state I am born anti-gay because I am straight – it makes people uncomfortable. Thats because we have been conditioned to reject negative sounding statements against gays, however, declaring I am born anti-gay describes me and doesn’t speak about homosexuality itself in any way. 

The viewer couldn’t understand the need to use the term anti-gay anymore then I can see the need for the word ‘marriage’ to be used in relation to legalized unions for homosexuals.

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman until recently, and even now, there is a huge majority that opposes changing the definition o accommodate gays. I have read arguments that attempt to say gay marriage has been peppered throughout the history of mankind, but the fact is, no matter how they revise history, gay marriage as we know it today is a modern development. 

Gay marriage warps the definition of the word marriage which may seem harmless to some – but its not harmless to people like me who respect and honor the institution of marriage. Saying I am born anti-gay seems harmless to me – but it might not to you… I know those who don’t like the term have been doing their best to convince me I am misusing the term… and they would rather have me not use the term… well- thats exactly how myself and others feel about the word ‘marriage’ being misused by homosexuals. It may very well be a matter of semantics – but why is it so important to push the buttons of those who are offended by the very sound of it? That doesn’t help the cause for equal rights – it just emboldens your opponents! 

Maybe this can start to bridge the gap that exists in our understanding each other… maybe you can now relate to the sheer outrage many feel when the term gay marriage gets under our skin… 

being born anti-gay is real and stating it is honest – even if it isn’t the best way to state it… so whats that say about homosexual unions calling themselves marriages? I’d say its real, and it could all be a matter of semantics, but it isn’t the best way to define it… all it does is agitate others…

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Born Straight

September 2, 2011

I have to say – there is a lot of objection to the concept that most straights are born with an anti-gay instinct. We are born this way. For the record let me clarify what I mean by this because some are taking my stance and claiming that I am saying I have a gene that makes me hate gays. 

I don’t hate gays… but the fact of the matter is that I was born straight… and as a straight man if a homosexual were to make a sexual advance towards me I would reject it out of instinctive reflex… there isn’t even a thought involved in it – it just simply would not stand – thus I would say I was born anti-gay. This is no different then when a gay man explains that he simply isn’t attracted to women – because in saying that he is saying he would reject the sexual advances of a woman…

being born anti-gay doesn’t mean I think homosexuality should be outlawed or that I believe we should discriminate against gays in any way – however – I also believe there are sacred places in our society as I’ve discussed in previous videos such as marriage…

I wish people would stop projecting the hater image onto me as it is destructive to the possibility to peruse real conversations on the matter. The LGBT community often claims a seek understanding but it has to work both ways if we’re ever going to get anywhere. 

For a true Christian, our hearts belong to Christ – which boils down to loving the sinner but hating the sin… we were born to be Christians – otherwise we wouldn’t be Christians – but we all had to make a choice to follow Christ – even if it really wasn’t a choice at all but an instinct. 

Many are called but few are chosen – still – that means some are chosen… 

Conversations don’t have to be based on stereotypes and they don’t have to be hateful – they just have to be honest…

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I Am The 21st Century Christian (script)

September 2, 2011

Eph. 5.1 Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

We are to follow the example of Christ – trying to imitate Him as we live our lives, allowing our lives to Him to be like a fragrance… our love and lives should permeate society – kind of like how a good home cooked breakfast can wake a person up in the morning as it fills the house. We should be attracting people to Christ – understanding that there are those who are repelled by God and His righteousness. In other words, you can’t please all the people all the time.

 3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

Paul spells out that there mustn’t be even a hint of sexual immorality. I want you to think about that for a second. This society is so over-saturated in sex that it seems as if it is almost impossible to live without a even a hint of sexual immorality. When we see the model of sexual morality presented in the scriptures, we can begin to see that even within our own marriages sexual immorality can creep in… whether its pornography to fleeting fantasies locked up within one’s own mind to outright lewd behaviors as exhibited by couples involved in the swinging lifestyle… If these things can pollute our marriages, imagine what they do to those who are single in our society! Indeed – without complete focus on Christ we can be overwhelmed by the seductive ways of the world… which leads us to Greed…

Greed has consumed and completely overcome our way of life in this day and age to a point where even a little bit of charity seems like its an amazing miracle of human compassion. Our perspective has become so skewed that we can’t tell the difference between a mountain and a mole hill… Let me give you an example…

Not so long ago I remember Oprah Winfrey gave away a car to each person in her studio audience. Each one of those people were blessed by receiving the automobiles to the point where Oprah has actually gone back and shown the stories of some of those folks and how that act of kindness changed their lives… however, for a woman worth billions of dollars, giving out a couple of hundred cars is like you or I handing out pennies to the homeless. With her wealth, Oprah could change whole communities or bring relief to countless who are starving in the world… but instead, she stores the majority of it up in her coffers, and waits for the day God will take her life…

Greed has clouded our perceptions and made us prone to think that what we do is ‘enough’ – that so long as we are giving ten percent – and maybe some offerings – then we have done our job. The fact is – our perspective on worldly assets is so backwards that we are satisfied by the most meager of efforts.

Jesus said – give everything – now we obviously have to live and provide for our families – but who draws the line on how much is enough? Is it Jesus or is it our own greedy rationalizations and justifications? Oh yeah – this hits home – but its something I need to hear – and it might be something you need to hear as well. I find, myself and Diana included, that greed crops up in everything we do… we all tend to look at life by certain measures and standards that haven’t been defined by God but by men… and it is yet another way we fall prey to the monster that is Greed…

 8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:

 “Wake up, O sleeper,
   rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”

Paul writes that we were once darkness, so how is it most of us are living with one foot in the light and the other in the darkness? I was criticized recently in the comments because the Christian faith is so weak these days – and all I could do was agree – because we ARE weak. Even the strongest Christians of today would pail in comparison to the Saints of yesteryear… Man and Satan have had 2000 years to pervert the Gospel and if there is anything we are good at its perversion. Still, if we can overcome the mountain – if we can heed the words of Jesus and find the faith to throw the mountain into sea… we can truly stand in His light we both feet and stand in immutable truth. We aren’t called to coddle the wicked and promote the wickedness, we are called to bring it into the light where it can be eliminated!

15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 

This is as blunt of a warning as we can be given. Be careful – don’t bind ourselves to the things of this world which will suck us dry. Drug and alcohol abuse, sexual immoralities, obsessions and greed… all driving the hunger of the flesh and feeding the seeds of sin which lead us to death.

17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. 19 Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, 20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ya know, when Paul said do not get drunk on wine he wasn’t simply saying don’t get drunk – he was saying – don’t be partying! Partying leads to debauchery, which is an awful pit of sin which separates us from God. The whole culture built around self appeasement is laced into almost everything we see and hear and touch… its the very nature of our society and it tears us apart from that which Christ wants for us.

If our hearts and minds were truly focused on Christ and His Way – we wouldn’t be caught up in all these other things that simply waste our time and energy. Paul was writing to those who claimed Christ as their Savior… he wasn’t writing to people of his time, but to people of the Holy Spirit for all time…

We need to hear the words of Paul and understand that he is a brother in Christ trying to spare us from the ravages of this world through the Son of God… Yeshua the Messiah, Jesus Christ -

We need to be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. We need to be more than what we’ve convinced ourselves we should be and recognize the extreme contrast that exists between the first century Christian and the 21st Century Christian and somehow find our way back to living the truth instead of just talking about it…

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A Conversation With a Liberal Christian About Homosexuality

August 28, 2011

MFL:
ALL gays are under threat from God? There are no righeous gays IN God?

Chris, let me put this as gently as possible to you: People who claim that God is in any way DOCTRINAIRE

CL: doctrinaire – stubbornly insistent on theory without regard for practicality or suitability dogmatist: a stubborn person of arbitrary or arrogant opinions

are the ones under threat from God.nGod is not that small. He’s not that knowable – predictable. Just think about it. A doctrinaire God? His Glory comes from nothing lawyerly, but loving. Now, if that’s the honest best you can do in conceiving God, then okay. Still, I suspect it isn’t. Better gay than Pharisaic.

CL:
NONE are righteous – we all fall short of the glory of God. God isn’t ‘ Knowable or Predictable? I disagree in the sense that God decides what is and isn’t sin – not me. the Law defines sin – salvation in Christ saves us from that sin – it isn’t lawyerly – its HIs determination & will – He alone is the judge. I can’t find anything in the Bible or in my prayers that tells me God is ok with it. As I said – its as bad as adultery and fornication – He isn’t cool with those either.

MFL:
None are righteous in the absolute. But it’s still a usable term, in a practical sense. I have in mind living Catholic saints I know – who are gay. And not all are celibate. I wouldn’t count myself more righteous than they, just because I’m straight. They’re obviously steeped in the Holy Spirit. And I think God has burdened them w/ a particular issue by way of testing the rest of us. Can we love them, in Him, discern their anointing, accept & honor them. Or will we be doctrinaire?

CL:
its not about U being more righteous -its about something thats obviously sin! Gay Catholic Saints? Don’t u hear how warped that sounds – its like Marveling Murdering Methodists or Priestly Pimped Pentecostals (see what Im saying?) – I would hope if I were doing something sinful u would tell me – yet you give acceptance to their sin? HOw can u say they are steeped in the Holy Spirit if they can’t even follow their own church? ur logic scares me. I do love em but not their sin!

MFL:
It doesn’t sound like you love them. In any case, I invite you to go find out for yourself. Every Catholic diocese has at least one gay refuge parish. Go there. Judge for yourself, in person, how much rebuking these people need. What you’ll probably see instead is what I saw: A need only to rebuke myself. And now let that EXPERIENCE inform your Bible study. Maybe those few seemingly crystal-clear verses ain’t so clear after all, especially in view of the overall SPIRIT of Scripture.

CL:
bro – I don’t get it – are there also Spirit filled murderes liars theives adulterers and rapists? The fact is, if God called it sin, and Jesus was clear about sexual morality and marriage being between a man and a woman and Paul was just as clear (not to mention Jude) so how can you see it different? I don’t get it. It is like you refuse to accept it – so you’ve redefined it – but I could be wrong. I don’t want to argue but I sure wish I understood.

MFL:
I don’t get your analogy. And I don’t get literal interpretations of the rankest sort – made to legitimize ones bigotry. I don’t think the Bible works like that. I think that’s a Protestant fantasy.

Up till a few years ago, I’d never met a gay Christian. Now I worship amid gay Catholics who are way more anointed than I am. Set your presuppositions aside and seek these special brothers & sisters out. Actual experience tends to affect ones thinking.

That said, I oppose gay marraige.

CL:
I know fantastic people who are gay – but homosexuality can’t be honored by God if I am to believe the Bible… that means they can’t be anointed by God… OR Jesus and the Apostles were liars…

MFL:
Or … You’re reading the Bible to suit your bigoted self, as we all do.

Plus, you’re thinking about gay saints as an abstract concept, when in fact they comprise an actual phenomenon that’s available for you to experience.

On what terms do you want to be right, Chris? You know why Christianity has no spiritual power in this wicked world? It’s that, like the world, we settle for terms that are too convenient and flattering to our vain and lazy selves.

We need to be really right.

CL:
I am so tired of being called a bigot from fellow believers who are being blinded by modern liberalism. It makes it so difficult to really get to the issue, but I guess thats why you’re taking to personal insults… you can say what ever you like – but the Bible does say what it says… and there is no way around some of it no matter how you try to interpret it.

My Lord is POWERFUL in my life – so I can’t speak on the spiritual power in Christianity… I believe that God moves where He wishes.

“You know why Christianity has no spiritual power in this wicked world? … we settle for terms that are too convenient and flattering to our vain and lazy selves.”

No it isn’t – if only it were something so simple… its that many Christians forsake the Way and accept compromises to the Way. Homosexuality is one of the most clear things that God is against – in the OT and NT & Jesus was CLEAR on His definition of marriage.

Sexual immorality is like a cancer in the Body and your statements tell me not to worry about. It’s as if you’re oblivious to your responsibilities as a disciple of Christ – you don’t do any ‘saint’ any favors by simply smiling and pretending that what they are doing is ok. The celibacy isn’t the real issue. Thats a Catholic Church thing – its the homosexuality. You may feel like its some spiritual blessing to humble yourself to these men – lifting them up as your superiors, but your dancing with demons and being stifled in the ‘spirit’ by them. In my humble opinion.

Folks – this conversation really highlights the blindness of Christians who are coddling homosexuals in the church. Without a doubt, homosexuals can be loving and gentle and take on the appearance of Godly men – but their fruit is obvious. To be clear, I am not saying gay Christians who are gay but refuse to act out on their desires are the problem… I am saying those who pose as Holy Spirit filled homosexual Christians are fooling themselves and those who accept them.

This isn’t me being cruel or bigoted – this is what scripture teaches… MFL has taken the approach that I am reading my own bigotry into the Bible – however – the truth is it is that MFL is reading liberalism into the Bible in order to appease his desire to avoid confronting the sin that festers right before his face.

He accuses me of making God doctrinaire – however – God is the one who drew this line in scripture – not me – so if he wants to call God doctrinaire so be it – but it IS the WAY.

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